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:* '''Power Set''' definitely capitalized in headings and article names, not capitalized when used in general reference (e.g. "there are a lot of different power sets in the game"); due to the level of difficulty in distinguishing, I could go either way on capitalization when used specifically to refer to the game mechanic (e.g. "Earth Control is a Primary Power Set"), but would lean toward capitalization. --[[User:Eabrace|Eabrace]] [[File:Healthbar notify phone.png|20px|link=User talk:Eabrace]] 14:03, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
:* '''Power Set''' definitely capitalized in headings and article names, not capitalized when used in general reference (e.g. "there are a lot of different power sets in the game"); due to the level of difficulty in distinguishing, I could go either way on capitalization when used specifically to refer to the game mechanic (e.g. "Earth Control is a Primary Power Set"), but would lean toward capitalization. --[[User:Eabrace|Eabrace]] [[File:Healthbar notify phone.png|20px|link=User talk:Eabrace]] 14:03, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
::Also:  two words rather than one, because the progression of Powers, Power Sets, and Primary Power Sets flows more logically in my head. --[[User:Eabrace|Eabrace]] [[File:Healthbar notify phone.png|20px|link=User talk:Eabrace]] 14:04, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
::* Also:  two words rather than one, because the progression of Powers, Power Sets, and Primary Power Sets flows more logically in my head. --[[User:Eabrace|Eabrace]] [[File:Healthbar notify phone.png|20px|link=User talk:Eabrace]] 14:04, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
::*My thoughts mirror Eabrace on this.  Another reason why it should be two words is the same reason that "costume set" is two words. (I can't imagine anyone intentionally using it as "costumeset.") <span><small>—</small> [[File:Blondeshell Sig.png|20px|link=User:Blondeshell]]<small><span style="line-height:6px;">&nbsp;[[User_talk:Blondeshell|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Blondeshell|contribs]]</span></small></span> 16:55, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:* Mostly as with Eabrace. '''Power Set''' in headings/article names, '''power set''' otherwise, following an extension of the [[Paragon_Wiki:Article_Guidelines#In-Game_Text|effects rule]]. However, I don't agree with the usage example of "Earth Control is a Primary Power Set"; instead suggest "Earth Control is a primary power set" since that's what was established in sentence one. ~ {{User:Aggelakis/Sig1}} 19:09, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 
:* Comment: The devs have consistently spelled it as one word in [[Powerset Proliferation]]; I am strongly opposed to changing the spelling of terms they have a consistent, official spelling for. I recommend we exclude Powerset Profileration from this vote. If there's sentiment to change it, let's have a separate conversation when this one concludes. -- [[User:Sekoia|Sekoia]] 19:29, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
:* Eabrace's comments above make sense, and seem to tie in with what I see in places such as, for example, [http://web.archive.org/web/20121014173241/http://na.cityofheroes.com/en/game_info/powers/powers_overview.php the official site] (I found one spot where they refer to "Power Pool Power Sets" for instance). So outside of "Powerset Proliferation", I vote for two words: power set or Power Set. I am undecided on case (though we clearly need to capitalize it in headings and article names). -- [[User:Sekoia|Sekoia]] 19:29, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
::* As a follow up to these comments, according to the [http://web.archive.org/web/20121003094040/http://na.cityofheroes.com/en/news/patch_notes/issue_21_convergence_ascend_-_september_13_2011_live.php official patch notes for Issue 21] it appears that the term is, in fact, "Power Set Proliferation." I can envision no reason why that one term should remain as "powerset" when all other instances are expected to be "power set." {{small|— [[File:Blondeshell Sig.png|20px|link=User:Blondeshell]] [[User_talk:Blondeshell|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Blondeshell|contribs]]}} 23:12, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 
:*'''Power Set(s)''' all the time, as that is how it is used at [http://web.archive.org/web/20121025112725/http://na.cityofheroes.com/en/game_info/powers/city_of_heroes_offers_players.php this link at http://na.cityofheroes.com].<small> &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:MrDolomite|MrDolomite]]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;[[User talk:MrDolomite|Talk]]</small> 06:32, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 
I asked them about this a couple months ago, and the response was in the form of a private message, so I can't share the exact text here. Positron said that "Power Set" is correct, and that any publications that say "Powerset" was likely he himself who typed it that way. I was not able to receive any follow-up information regarding capitalization, but it's most definitely two words. This isn't something up for consensus. If we need to know for sure one way or the other with capitalization, maybe someone else can get in touch with them, but I'll lay all my bet money down on it being capitalized. --[[User:GuyPerfect|GuyPerfect]] 23:56, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
:It should be mentioned that when dealing with proper terminology like this that we didn't make, it's not appropriate for us to sit around with our teacups and monocles while puffing our elegant pipes deciding what it's supposed to be called. If we need to know, we ask the people in charge of it: Paragon Studios. --[[User:GuyPerfect|GuyPerfect]] 00:02, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 
::I fail to see how condescension is appropriate or necessary here.  {{User:Thirty7/Sig}} 05:11, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 
== History ==
Is the history of power sets added to the game collectively documented somewhere on the wiki? I think we could benefit from a timeline of additions if one does not already exist. I know that the specific articles now note when they were added and proliferated, but that isn't as convenient for a 'big picture' view. -[[User:Draeth Darkstar|Draeth Darkstar]] 02:47, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
: The power set pages show when the different Archetypes got them, and the Archetype pages show when they got different power sets, but, no, there's not currently a single, all-inclusive chart combining the two lists. That's something I could get behind, though, somewhat in the vein of [[Badges by Issue]], perhaps? {{small|— [[File:Blondeshell Sig.png|20px|link=User:Blondeshell]] [[User_talk:Blondeshell|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Blondeshell|contribs]]}} 03:02, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 
::Something like that would be good. I don't think we'd need to do sub-articles for each issue since the lists will be so much smaller, but the general idea is there. The only cumbersome one would be the Issue 0 list. We could probably split them into set types to break that up a bit, though? -[[User:Draeth Darkstar|Draeth Darkstar]] 03:24, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 
For future reference, two different styles of historical charts were worked on after this discussion, but no further decision was made on which one to use, if either, because the game shut down. They were [[User:Blondeshell/Power Sets|my version]] and [[User:Aggelakis/Power Sets|Aggelakis' version]] {{small|— [[File:Blondeshell Sig.png|20px|link=User:Blondeshell]] [[User_talk:Blondeshell|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/Blondeshell|contribs]]}} 00:44, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

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Voting

I would like us to come to a formal consensus on a Wiki-wide standard on the official spelling and case for "power sets." Please indicate your vote by (reference this talk page for more info) writing in what your preference is as succinctly as possible! User:Thirty7/Sig 13:13, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

  • powerset; unless used as a heading or an article name, then Powerset User:Thirty7/Sig 13:15, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Power Set definitely capitalized in headings and article names, not capitalized when used in general reference (e.g. "there are a lot of different power sets in the game"); due to the level of difficulty in distinguishing, I could go either way on capitalization when used specifically to refer to the game mechanic (e.g. "Earth Control is a Primary Power Set"), but would lean toward capitalization. --Eabrace Healthbar notify phone.png 14:03, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Also: two words rather than one, because the progression of Powers, Power Sets, and Primary Power Sets flows more logically in my head. --Eabrace Healthbar notify phone.png 14:04, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
  • My thoughts mirror Eabrace on this. Another reason why it should be two words is the same reason that "costume set" is two words. (I can't imagine anyone intentionally using it as "costumeset.") Blondeshell Sig.png talk / contribs 16:55, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Mostly as with Eabrace. Power Set in headings/article names, power set otherwise, following an extension of the effects rule. However, I don't agree with the usage example of "Earth Control is a Primary Power Set"; instead suggest "Earth Control is a primary power set" since that's what was established in sentence one. ~ User:Aggelakis/Sig1 19:09, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment: The devs have consistently spelled it as one word in Powerset Proliferation; I am strongly opposed to changing the spelling of terms they have a consistent, official spelling for. I recommend we exclude Powerset Profileration from this vote. If there's sentiment to change it, let's have a separate conversation when this one concludes. -- Sekoia 19:29, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Eabrace's comments above make sense, and seem to tie in with what I see in places such as, for example, the official site (I found one spot where they refer to "Power Pool Power Sets" for instance). So outside of "Powerset Proliferation", I vote for two words: power set or Power Set. I am undecided on case (though we clearly need to capitalize it in headings and article names). -- Sekoia 19:29, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
  • As a follow up to these comments, according to the official patch notes for Issue 21 it appears that the term is, in fact, "Power Set Proliferation." I can envision no reason why that one term should remain as "powerset" when all other instances are expected to be "power set." Blondeshell Sig.png talk / contribs 23:12, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

I asked them about this a couple months ago, and the response was in the form of a private message, so I can't share the exact text here. Positron said that "Power Set" is correct, and that any publications that say "Powerset" was likely he himself who typed it that way. I was not able to receive any follow-up information regarding capitalization, but it's most definitely two words. This isn't something up for consensus. If we need to know for sure one way or the other with capitalization, maybe someone else can get in touch with them, but I'll lay all my bet money down on it being capitalized. --GuyPerfect 23:56, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

It should be mentioned that when dealing with proper terminology like this that we didn't make, it's not appropriate for us to sit around with our teacups and monocles while puffing our elegant pipes deciding what it's supposed to be called. If we need to know, we ask the people in charge of it: Paragon Studios. --GuyPerfect 00:02, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
I fail to see how condescension is appropriate or necessary here. User:Thirty7/Sig 05:11, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

History

Is the history of power sets added to the game collectively documented somewhere on the wiki? I think we could benefit from a timeline of additions if one does not already exist. I know that the specific articles now note when they were added and proliferated, but that isn't as convenient for a 'big picture' view. -Draeth Darkstar 02:47, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

The power set pages show when the different Archetypes got them, and the Archetype pages show when they got different power sets, but, no, there's not currently a single, all-inclusive chart combining the two lists. That's something I could get behind, though, somewhat in the vein of Badges by Issue, perhaps? Blondeshell Sig.png talk / contribs 03:02, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Something like that would be good. I don't think we'd need to do sub-articles for each issue since the lists will be so much smaller, but the general idea is there. The only cumbersome one would be the Issue 0 list. We could probably split them into set types to break that up a bit, though? -Draeth Darkstar 03:24, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

For future reference, two different styles of historical charts were worked on after this discussion, but no further decision was made on which one to use, if either, because the game shut down. They were my version and Aggelakis' version Blondeshell Sig.png talk / contribs 00:44, 10 November 2013 (UTC)